Comments on: Bazaar and its Rockage

By: Jelmer Vernooij

Jelmer Vernooij — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:27:09 +0000

João Marcus: The dependencies for bzr-svn are certainly one of its disadvantages if you’re not on Debian or Ubuntu. But how is bzr-svn not two way integration? It allows you to push/pull from Subversion branches just like you would with any “regular” bzr branch.

By: Pieter

Pieter — Tue, 20 May 2008 21:22:14 +0000

I tried bazaar a few times, but it still is really slow.

Any bazaar operation, even something like “bzr status” in a directory without a repository takes at least 200ms before finishing. That’s just enough time to have to wait until text is displayed on the screen, which can be really irritating.

I tried to do a few benchmarks on large bazaar repositories, but couldn’t find any well-known projects on the http://bazaar-vcs.org/WhoUsesBzr page. That’s why I tried the recently posted gtk+ import.

Even doing something simple as displaying the last log message (bzr log -l1) takes multiple seconds to run. Doing a “bzr log -l1 Makefile.am” takes 17(!!) seconds to display the last revision touching the makefile!

The same is true for the smaller gedit repository — 1.2 seconds to display last log message, 3.8 seconds to display last change for Makefile.am. And that’s with just 5000 commits! (That’s with the recently released bazaar 1.5)

It seems that bazaar just doesn’t scale at all. With those kind of results, it would be a mistake to choose bazaar for your project if you think it might get more than a few commits, or you’ll be waiting for every bzr operation you do.

By: Felipe Contreras

Felipe Contreras — Tue, 20 May 2008 16:51:03 +0000

1) Bzr is Python-Tastic? Well, what happens if I don’t like Python? Which I don’t.

The rest of the points also apply to git, except “Bzr works on Windows”, but there is work towards that, and given how much git facilitates development I bet in no time we will have a tortoise-git or something.

I’ll have to learn bazaar anyway, but the fact that it’s developed in Python is a big drawback to me.

Git FTW!

By: phil

phil — Tue, 20 May 2008 08:57:13 +0000

Problem with bzr is the lack of good online repository browser… Launchpad uses Loggerhead, which sucks :/ There are not much alternatives for bugs-system management either… Launchpad is the only way to go

By: visik7

visik7 — Tue, 20 May 2008 07:00:16 +0000

is there a package for bzr-avahi for ubuntu ?

By: Mike

Mike — Tue, 20 May 2008 04:13:11 +0000

I ? bzr too!

By: João Marcus

João Marcus — Mon, 19 May 2008 22:33:50 +0000

Bzr is fantastic, but bzr-svn still sucks. It requires patches to svn, and it’s not really a two-way integration. Even in Windows, for now, Git-SVN is the only decent choice if you need SVN integration.

By: nud

nud — Mon, 19 May 2008 22:26:04 +0000

Avdi: but you can gc or repack when you don’t need to wait for git to finish, which is not the case with checkout/diff/commit

Anyway, my point was just to show that, whatever DVCS you prefer, you can pretty much take the same arguments and put them forward, subjectivity helping…

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By: Avdi

Avdi — Mon, 19 May 2008 21:09:07 +0000

Robin, Nud: Git is only faster if you don’t count the time it takes to GC and repack – tasks that the other tools do automatically. Once you factor those in it is substantially slower.